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 Post subject: Nationalists going in the wrong direction with Europe.
PostPosted: 29 Jul 2016, 17:49 

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It has to be pointed out that the Nationalists political parties, in Europe, who oppose any geopolitical European framework are going in the wrong direction. The direction they are heading for is defeat.

They are falling for a neoliberal far right mantra. They are resembling the ultra conservatives or the neocons.

This is wrong. It goes against history and the very real nationalism that is present in being a European.

Yes, you are English, French, etc., but more importantly, to be so, you are European. They go together.

Nationalists who fail to grasp this will amount to nothing.

Going against the Polish, or the East Europeans is fratricidal. It was these exact attitudes which lead to world wars and furnished those behind the industrial military complex with extraordinary wealth with European blood.

And, yet, we all shared not only the same blood but similar culture.


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PostPosted: 29 Jul 2016, 18:34 
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Nationalism is the antithesis of Europeanism. It fragments while Europeanism unites.

They are reactionary without any forward vision.

Some so-called nationalisms resemble separatism.



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Reports continue on attacks against Eastern Europeans in mainly Brexit areas. The media report these as racial attacks. The only logical perception, if there is indeed one, is that Eastern Europeans in working class areas or impoverished areas are seen to be replacing the jobs of British workers.

This is a false perception. Eastern Europeans have been net contributors in the collection of taxes. They work hard and produce wealth. Open shops in areas where there is a declining retail parade.

The retro nationalists Brexiteers don't seem to realise that it is not Eastern Europeans who are to blame for their impoverishment.

The subprime crisis which lead to austerity did not arrive from Europe.

Regrettably, these attacks on Eastern Europeans and Europeans generally will have a lasting impact on the perception of Britain going forwards. It simply does not go on elsewhere in Europe.

Retro nationalists are taking the country back to an era which simply does not exist. How Brexit Britain can prosper going forwards is hard to see.

The rejection of Europe by retro nationalists or Brexit nationalists will be their downfall.


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Albus wrote:
Reports continue on attacks against Eastern Europeans in mainly Brexit areas. The media report these as racial attacks. The only logical perception, if there is indeed one, is that Eastern Europeans in working class areas or impoverished areas are seen to be replacing the jobs of British workers.

This is a false perception. Eastern Europeans have been net contributors in the collection of taxes. They work hard and produce wealth. Open shops in areas where there is a declining retail parade.

The retro nationalists Brexiteers don't seem to realise that it is not Eastern Europeans who are to blame for their impoverishment.

The subprime crisis which lead to austerity did not arrive from Europe.

Regrettably, these attacks on Eastern Europeans and Europeans generally will have a lasting impact on the perception of Britain going forwards. It simply does not go on elsewhere in Europe.

Retro nationalists are taking the country back to an era which simply does not exist. How Brexit Britain can prosper going forwards is hard to see.

The rejection of Europe by retro nationalists or Brexit nationalists will be their downfall.


The term racist is entirely inappropriate here. It should read as 'xenophobic'. All Europeans are of one race ... according to the Anthropology Department of the British Museum. Racism is attacking another race.

This archaic nationalism sickens me. It serves the interests of those powerful financial forces that benefit from dividing us and pitting us against each other. Europeans should co-operate with each other rather than engage in this free market competition. Britain alone can not compete with larger low-wage economies.



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It's difficult to know who is behind these attacks:

Arsonists target home of Polish family and leave 'hate-filled' letter http://dailym.ai/29kGAU2

I doubt it is White Nationalist groups. I suspect this is the doing of UKIP or at least its hatred of Europeans playing on ignorance.


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Albus wrote:
It's difficult to know who is behind these attacks:

Arsonists target home of Polish family and leave 'hate-filled' letter http://dailym.ai/29kGAU2

I doubt it is White Nationalist groups. I suspect this is the doing of UKIP or at least its hatred of Europeans playing on ignorance.


Groups like the National Front and Britain First are extreme nationalists who don't want the "pure" British people mingling their blood with anyone who is not descended from the yeomen of Olde Englande.

As for UKIP, its ranks began to swell the moment the BNP began its final imminent demise. The same kind of insular nationalism. Identical!

The people who would attack the home of a Polish family are exactly the same as those who would attack a mosque. It's a mixture of racialism and xenophobia endorsed by the Brexit victory in the EU Referendum.

Remember all white nationalist groups have a record of opposing the Common Market and then the European Union.



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No such thing as pure British people. The British people descend from continental Europe. So, these sort of attacks are idiotic and counter productive.

I put the blame on UKIP xenophobic incitement.

I believe UKIP to be dubious, and its funding questionable.

A very destructive political force which is a threat not only to the UK but the whole of Europe.

We've already started to witness the mess its influence has inflicted on the UK both politically and economically.


A travesty, really.


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Albus wrote:
No such thing as pure British people. The British people descend from continental Europe. So, these sort of attacks are idiotic and counter productive.

I put the blame on UKIP xenophobic incitement.

I believe UKIP to be dubious, and its funding questionable.

A very destructive political force which is a threat not only to the UK but the whole of Europe.

We've already started to witness the mess its influence has inflicted on the UK both politically and economically.


A travesty, really.

Of course there is no pure British people that's why I put the word pure in parenthesis.

I see very little difference between the policies of the BNP and Ukip. Both of them preaching insular nationalism. Their economic ideas differed but both ideas are unworkable. With the BNP it was autarky; with Ukip it is "go it alone" against the rest of world in this mad free market competition. Both against closer co-operation with Europe.

I believe Ukip is now redundant which is why Farage stepped down. He has "done his job", as he stated, so it follows the party has done the same. Brexit should be viewed as a great challenge and a call to rise up as true Europeans. Brexit will fail and when it does ....

The NF, BNP and Ukip are all Islamophobic.



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They are worse than Hitler. No social conscious at all. People are going to suffer tremendously through them.


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Hitler was not Islamophobic. Quite the opposite.



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